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22 July 2009

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Andrew T

Anyone who is seriously interested in the Templar/Masonic influence on history would be better served by reading Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas's books "The Second Messsiah" and "The Hiram Key" rather than Baigent & Leigh's "The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail" refered to in "The Times" article, though I must stress that this does not constitute an endorsement of these books by myself.

Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code" is, of course, pure fiction and offensive to many Christians. I actually found myself having to stifle laughter when I watched its breathless depiction of several centuries of church history compresed into about 30 seconds in the film version. What is not so funny is that many cinema-goers do not have any concept of historical fact outside of what is presented to them on the silver screen and thus are at risk of taking all this as actual fact.

Prior to the formation of the Grand Lodge of Scotland Kilwinning was one of two Masonic headquarters in Scotland, (the other being Edinburgh), so the area has a long history of Masonic conections. Whether or not this indeed stems from settlement by members of the Knights Templar after their supression by the Pope of Rome remains to be proven by further historical research.

 ryan

>>>>>Whether or not this indeed stems from settlement by members of the Knights Templar after their supression by the Pope of Rome

As opposed to the Pope of San Juan or Albuquerque?
Anyway, weren't the Knights Templer suppressed (if not executed) for sodomy? Plainly, a style of theogical justice that should appeal to conservative/evangelicals ;-).

I was pleased to hear, a couple of years ago, that the head of the Masons in scotland is a gay pisky priests. It's very unfair that an organisation like the Freemasons is accused of being inherently unchristian (usually by effete middle class evangelical types whose idea of a great Christian is Nicky Gumbel, and who'd make belief in a 6,000 year old earth a prerequisite for salvation if they thought they'd get away with it).

Andrew T

If you have some spare reading time, Ryan, give the two books I mention a try. The authors are both Masons and thus write with some authority on the subject though I do not agree with all the conclusions that they come to.

The Knights Templar were supressed officially for a number of reasons amongst which were blasphemy and homosexual pratices. As confesions were obtained under torture it is debatable how much weight they should carry. The most likely reason for the action taken by the Pope was that it was at the behest of Philip The Fair of France, who had a large influence over the papacy, and was more to do with grabbing the wealth of the order.

Interestingly enough, the origin of the superstition surrounding Friday the 13th is that it was the date on which the order was suppressed. The Grand Master is recorded as having called out as he was taken to be burned at the stake "I summon you, Philip The Fair and Pope Clement the Fifth, within a year before the Tribunal of God". Both men died within twelve months. Whether or not this actually happened we do not know but it certainly makes a good story.

Tom, St. Paul's, Visalia, Ca., USA

Your birthplace, Padre? I may have to start calling you the Grail Vicar...

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