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27 June 2008


John Penman

Now Archbishop Chacour is one I would gladly listen to! One of my heroes along with Trevor Huddlestone and Desmond Tutu.

Andrew T

Perhaps some of God's original covenant people's Sabbatarianism will rub-off on the conference participants and it will inspire them to re-discover the Christian Sabbath, the Lord's Day, and to preach to their flocks observance of the fourth commandment.

Scotland has gone in a generation or two from being a nation that in the main observed the Lord's Day to one that mostly profanes and dis-regards it. While churches are rarely filled for public worship these days there are no shortage of people heading to the shopping mall, football stadia and public houses. Even in the few areas where the Sabbath is still observed by the majority the world is crowding in with ever more strident calls for businesses to open and ferry services to be allowed to run.

Sadly, many even professing Christians do not regard this commandment as something relavant to today. How, by this way of thinking, is one commandment invalid and the rest valid? The Sabbath was created by God for man for our good and welfare. In this 24/7 world many medical experts are criticising the strains that modern society is puting on people's health and calling for changes to be made. Thus we can see that obeying God's law is beneficial and flows from the fact that "the commandment is holy, just, and good" (Rom 7:12).

In scripture we find these most encouraging words:
"If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on My holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour Him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it" (Is 58:13,14).


Someone who was at Church on sunday because the shops were closed could be accused of having a somewhat flimsy faith Andrew. Love to see proof of these alleged medical experts who have pointed out the perils of taking a ferry on a sunday. And what about christian nurses and the like who have to work weekends?


I wondered if you would catch up with him! (Elias chacour)I have just finished reading his book- "blood brothers"- very inspiring and moving. An amazing christian testimony, as well as providing a lot of insights to the situation.

Andrew T

I agree that anyone attending church on the Sabbath as an alternative to going shopping is likely to have a flimsy faith or more likely no faith at all but I do not realistically think that someone who is prevented from worshipping material things in a cathedral of consumerism where they can bow down to mammon & lucre is likely to come along to a house of prayer instead! More likely such individuals will seek their pleasures elsewhere but this does not release society as a whole, believer and unbeliever alike, from the solemn commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy.

I have seen the stresses of the 24/7 society with my own eyes in that in the just short of 15 years of my working life so far I have have seen absenteeism through stress in the workplace generally grow from something little-known to something widespread. I am sure that just about everyone reading this will either have experienced it themselves or know of someone who has. Would it not be a great thing for there to be one day a week when people knew that they could rest and be with their families? And when they have this day of rest their minds could focus on matters that might bring them to church to hear God's Word.

Ryan, observing the Sabbath does not mean closing hospitals, fire or police stations. There is the concept of "works of necessity and mercy". Of course the sick will need care, fires will need to be quenched and on farms animals will need fed. But we do not expire if for just one day a week we cannot go to the cinema, fly to exotic parts on holiday, buy CDs or consume strong drink in a pub. I am sure as intelligent people we are all also capable of estimating on a Saturday whether or not we have enough milk and other comestibles to see us through to Monday and thus obviating a trip to the shops on the Lord's Day.

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