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09 March 2010

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ryan

>>I guess it can only be the fear that immigrants arriving here will simply leech from our social security system, married to xenophobia and a sense for politicians that going soft on immigration is a vote loser.

Why do Christians take such an interest in this? Is it because they are naive and believe every sob story?


Is the above fear necessarily unfounded? And I imagine that Christians care about the issue because they're not *all*, unlike stereotypical evangelical churches, members of middle/upper class enclaves who are not liable to bear the immediate brunt of increased immigration (except,perhaps, having to cut back on skiing holidays as a resulted of punitive tax policies made necessary by the bloated state). Care for the marginalised extends (or should) to the indigenous working classes (and failing to do so has - demonstrably - fed the poisonous bigotry of the BNP,which should give the major parties pause;hopefully they have the decency to not regard fascism as the default state of the lower orders). Also:can I ask how offering Asylum to those who (say) are fleeing homophobic persecution squares with 'conservative' use of 'human rights' in a pejorative sense? Great passage to cite tho. Not least as "justice" doesn't equate to "pity" or "charity".

GadgetVicar

Ryan,

I'm considering opening a book on how long it takes for you to comment on a post!

ryan

Cool! What can I win? ;-) And, should the above seem dehumanisingly fiery, I'd stress that the "skiing holiday" etc bits are , in part, parodying the style of those (not you, plainly) who claim or imply that Christians (or just people) with concerns about immigration are (at best) naive swallowers of alarmist rhetoric or (at worst) flat out racists. Aren't you worried about the Mosque-building competition? ;-)

Coxy

Put me down for a tenner on less than 20 minutes!

ED... (who blogs at Sincere Ignorance and Conscientious Stupidity)

If Jesus had only served the deserving, he could have saved himself a trip. I suppose the balance to be struck is based on the extent to which we are prepared to thole the abuse of the asylum system.

Billy

"Why do Christians take such an interest in this? Is it because they are naive and believe every sob story? Sometimes we are (and naivete is not always a bad thing), but I hope we are driven by something like this:"

Don't you mean SOME christians? Some take the story of Ham to justify slavery and white supremacy. Many non christians care about this too. It is not true that being a christian means you care about aything.

The Deuteronomy quote is also talken out of context and placed in isolation. I could just as easily throw Nehemiah 13:1-3 " 1 On that day the Book of Moses was read aloud in the hearing of the people and there it was found written that no Ammonite or Moabite should ever be admitted into the assembly of God, 2 because they had not met the Israelites with food and water but had hired Balaam to call a curse down on them. (Our God, however, turned the curse into a blessing.) 3 When the people heard this law, they excluded from Israel all who were of foreign descent. "

or

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the *foreigners* who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, *but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way*. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

Surely Confucious is more relevant: "force not on others that which you would not choose for yourself"

Or Cyrus II : http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/me/c/cyrus_cylinder.aspx

ryan

lol! Post some juicy TISEC gossip on your blog and I might be just as swift.

>Put me down for a tenner on less than 20 minutes

Hmm, you'd probably get a better return on that bet than you would on putting a similar bet on En-ger-land winning the world cup ;-). I think I'll support Italy, Argentina, Brazil and Spain this year.

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